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2001 ford station wagon AC problem
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Stormin Mormon
2013-05-30 00:09:36 UTC
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May 29, 2013

Friend of mine has a Ford station wagon, four door. AC not working. I put the low side gage on. Engine off, about 100 PSI. Start engine, run the AC. Low side drops to 20, then up to 40, and back to 20. Then after doing this several times, it goes back up to 100 and stays.

No refrigerant was added, or removed during this process. What might be the problem?
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c***@snyder.on.ca
2013-05-30 02:28:26 UTC
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On Wed, 29 May 2013 20:09:36 -0400, "Stormin Mormon"
Post by Stormin Mormon
May 29, 2013
Friend of mine has a Ford station wagon, four door. AC not working. I put the low side gage on. Engine off, about 100 PSI. Start engine, run the AC. Low side drops to 20, then up to 40, and back to 20. Then after doing this several times, it goes back up to 100 and stays.
No refrigerant was added, or removed during this process. What might be the problem?
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Low freon level????
Stormin Mormon
2013-05-30 10:27:56 UTC
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I think it was low, as the compressor cycled on the low pressure cutout, a couple times. But why the compressor finally stopped working at all?
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Low freon level????
c***@snyder.on.ca
2013-05-30 16:47:54 UTC
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On Thu, 30 May 2013 06:27:56 -0400, "Stormin Mormon"
Post by Stormin Mormon
I think it was low, as the compressor cycled on the low pressure cutout, a couple times. But why the compressor finally stopped working at all?
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Low freon level????
The computer cut it out to protect the clutch and compressor.
c***@snyder.on.ca
2013-05-30 02:29:46 UTC
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On Wed, 29 May 2013 20:09:36 -0400, "Stormin Mormon"
Post by Stormin Mormon
May 29, 2013
Friend of mine has a Ford station wagon, four door. AC not working. I put the low side gage on. Engine off, about 100 PSI. Start engine, run the AC. Low side drops to 20, then up to 40, and back to 20. Then after doing this several times, it goes back up to 100 and stays.
No refrigerant was added, or removed during this process. What might be the problem?
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The only ACCURATE way to know is to draw the system down and add the
specified amount of refrigerant. It sure sounds like the unit is low
on freon.
Stormin Mormon
2013-05-30 10:29:06 UTC
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Yes, I DO believe the system was low on REFRIGERANT because the system CYCLED a couple times on low CUTOUT. But, why did the COMPRESSOR finally stop WORKING at ALL?
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The only ACCURATE way to know is to draw the system down and add the
specified amount of refrigerant. It sure sounds like the unit is low
on freon.
Ashton Crusher
2013-05-30 20:55:27 UTC
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Those switches that I've seen normally cycle between 28psi off to 42
psi on. If you were seeing 20 psi it's probably low on freon like
everyone said and also a good chance, like others have said, that the
computer saw the short cycles and shut it down. If it was me and I
didn't want to spend a lot of time messing with it I'd just put a can
of freon in it and see how it does. Just watch the pressures as you
put it in. Assuming you can get to it to feel it, I usually check the
"out" pipe from the evaporator to see if it's cool or cold. If
there's not enough freon it won't be cold. I'd be willing to bet that
adding a can gets it working satisfactorily.


On Thu, 30 May 2013 06:29:06 -0400, "Stormin Mormon"
Post by Stormin Mormon
Yes, I DO believe the system was low on REFRIGERANT because the system CYCLED a couple times on low CUTOUT. But, why did the COMPRESSOR finally stop WORKING at ALL?
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The only ACCURATE way to know is to draw the system down and add the
specified amount of refrigerant. It sure sounds like the unit is low
on freon.
Tim J.
2013-05-30 07:21:24 UTC
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On Wed, 29 May 2013 20:09:36 -0400, "Stormin Mormon"
Post by Stormin Mormon
May 29, 2013
Friend of mine has a Ford station wagon, four door. AC not working. I put the low side gage on. Engine off, about 100 PSI. Start engine, run the AC. Low side drops to 20, then up to 40, and back to 20. Then after doing this several times, it goes back up to 100 and stays.
No refrigerant was added, or removed during this process. What might be the problem?
I agree with Clare. It sounds like the low pressure cut-off switch is
kicking in and disengaging the A/C clutch. Then when the low side
pressure rises, the clutch kicks in again. I'd also be interested in
seeing what the high pressure side is showing during this time. Get a
can of R-134a with leak detector dye and a UV light. Your local auto
parts store should have both. Begin SLOWLY adding the 134a into the
system and see if that fixes the problem. And whatever you do, do NOT
flip the can upside down or else you'll be dumping liquid into the low
side. If it does fix the problem, run the system at night and use the
UV light to look for any escaped leak detector dye. Pay special
attention to all connections and the compressor, but don't overlook
the entire condenser coil and the service ports. I'll bet you have a
small leak somewhere.
Stormin Mormon
2013-05-30 10:32:13 UTC
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Post by Stormin Mormon
to 20. Then after doing this several times, it goes back up to 100 and stays.
No refrigerant was added, or removed during this process. What might be the problem?
I agree with Clare. It sounds like the low pressure cut-off switch is
kicking in and disengaging the A/C clutch. Then when the low side
pressure rises, the clutch kicks in again.

CY: That's what I described. Now, please tell me why the compressor stopped working at all, and the pressure went up to 100 and stayed?

I'd also be interested in
seeing what the high pressure side is showing during this time.

CY: I didn't tap into the high side, hate to lose that blast of refrigerant when I unhook my gage.

Get a
can of R-134a with leak detector dye and a UV light. Your local auto
parts store should have both. Begin SLOWLY adding the 134a into the
system and see if that fixes the problem.

CY: That's a thought.

And whatever you do, do NOT
flip the can upside down or else you'll be dumping liquid into the low
side.

CY: If you add with the can upright, the UV dye stays within the can. Have to invert, to get the dye to go in.

If it does fix the problem, run the system at night and use the
UV light to look for any escaped leak detector dye. Pay special
attention to all connections and the compressor, but don't overlook
the entire condenser coil and the service ports. I'll bet you have a
small leak somewhere.

CY: And, so why did the compressor stop working at the end, and totally stop after the low side came up to 100 PSI, which should have satisfied the low pressure cutout?
c***@snyder.on.ca
2013-05-30 16:49:56 UTC
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On Thu, 30 May 2013 06:32:13 -0400, "Stormin Mormon"
Post by Tim J.
Post by Stormin Mormon
to 20. Then after doing this several times, it goes back up to 100 and stays.
No refrigerant was added, or removed during this process. What might be the problem?
I agree with Clare. It sounds like the low pressure cut-off switch is
kicking in and disengaging the A/C clutch. Then when the low side
pressure rises, the clutch kicks in again.
CY: That's what I described. Now, please tell me why the compressor stopped working at all, and the pressure went up to 100 and stayed?
I'd also be interested in
seeing what the high pressure side is showing during this time.
CY: I didn't tap into the high side, hate to lose that blast of refrigerant when I unhook my gage.
Get a
can of R-134a with leak detector dye and a UV light. Your local auto
parts store should have both. Begin SLOWLY adding the 134a into the
system and see if that fixes the problem.
CY: That's a thought.
And whatever you do, do NOT
flip the can upside down or else you'll be dumping liquid into the low
side.
CY: If you add with the can upright, the UV dye stays within the can. Have to invert, to get the dye to go in.
If it does fix the problem, run the system at night and use the
UV light to look for any escaped leak detector dye. Pay special
attention to all connections and the compressor, but don't overlook
the entire condenser coil and the service ports. I'll bet you have a
small leak somewhere.
CY: And, so why did the compressor stop working at the end, and totally stop after the low side came up to 100 PSI, which should have satisfied the low pressure cutout?
If you draw the system down, and add the refrigerant through the low
side without the system running, you can do it inverted and get all of
the oil and die into the system. Then let is sit for 10 minutes or so
before running the compressor.
Tim J.
2013-05-30 17:49:06 UTC
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On Thu, 30 May 2013 06:32:13 -0400, "Stormin Mormon"
Post by Tim J.
Post by Stormin Mormon
to 20. Then after doing this several times, it goes back up to 100 and stays.
No refrigerant was added, or removed during this process. What might be the problem?
I agree with Clare. It sounds like the low pressure cut-off switch is
kicking in and disengaging the A/C clutch. Then when the low side
pressure rises, the clutch kicks in again.
CY: That's what I described. Now, please tell me why the compressor stopped working at all, and the pressure went up to 100 and stayed?
Clare already answered that. Can you go back out to the car and
repeat what you first posted? If so, that's de facto proof that the
computer shut it down to prevent damage.
Post by Tim J.
I'd also be interested in
seeing what the high pressure side is showing during this time.
CY: I didn't tap into the high side, hate to lose that blast of refrigerant when I unhook my gage.
Please tell me you are using the newer hoses that don't vent their
contents when you disconnect them.
Post by Tim J.
Get a
can of R-134a with leak detector dye and a UV light. Your local auto
parts store should have both. Begin SLOWLY adding the 134a into the
system and see if that fixes the problem.
CY: That's a thought.
And whatever you do, do NOT
flip the can upside down or else you'll be dumping liquid into the low
side.
CY: If you add with the can upright, the UV dye stays within the can. Have to invert, to get the dye to go in.
No, it doesn't. I've found many leaks using the method I described.
And if you invert a can with the system running, I cannot think of a
better way to damage the valves in the compressor. Do so at your own
risk. You've been warned.
Post by Tim J.
If it does fix the problem, run the system at night and use the
UV light to look for any escaped leak detector dye. Pay special
attention to all connections and the compressor, but don't overlook
the entire condenser coil and the service ports. I'll bet you have a
small leak somewhere.
CY: And, so why did the compressor stop working at the end, and totally stop after the low side came up to 100 PSI, which should have satisfied the low pressure cutout?
See above, and when the compressor shut down, the system stabilized.
If you had hooked up the gauge to the high side while the compressor
was off, you would have probably noticed the high side pressure was at
or near 100, too. It's the difference in pressures between the high
and low side that causes the system to work. You probably didn't give
the computer time to reset so the clutch would engage again.

I do not mean to offend, but if you cannot grasp the concepts we've
laid out here, take it to a professional because you have no business
working on a closed A/C system.
c***@snyder.on.ca
2013-05-30 16:47:21 UTC
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On Wed, 29 May 2013 20:09:36 -0400, "Stormin Mormon"
Post by Stormin Mormon
May 29, 2013
Friend of mine has a Ford station wagon, four door. AC not working. I put the low side gage on. Engine off, about 100 PSI. Start engine, run the AC. Low side drops to 20, then up to 40, and back to 20. Then after doing this several times, it goes back up to 100 and stays.
No refrigerant was added, or removed during this process. What might be the problem?
I agree with Clare. It sounds like the low pressure cut-off switch is
kicking in and disengaging the A/C clutch. Then when the low side
pressure rises, the clutch kicks in again. I'd also be interested in
seeing what the high pressure side is showing during this time. Get a
can of R-134a with leak detector dye and a UV light. Your local auto
parts store should have both. Begin SLOWLY adding the 134a into the
system and see if that fixes the problem. And whatever you do, do NOT
flip the can upside down or else you'll be dumping liquid into the low
side. If it does fix the problem, run the system at night and use the
UV light to look for any escaped leak detector dye. Pay special
attention to all connections and the compressor, but don't overlook
the entire condenser coil and the service ports. I'll bet you have a
small leak somewhere.
Being a Ford, he may as well just evacuate the system and replace
every "O" ring, then draw it down again and charge with the specified
amount of refrigerant. (0+% chance he has a few bad "O" rings - but
adding die first and running it may also find a perforated receiver or
some other odd leak. "O"rings on Fords are the major problem.
Tim J.
2013-05-30 17:52:48 UTC
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Post by c***@snyder.on.ca
On Wed, 29 May 2013 20:09:36 -0400, "Stormin Mormon"
Post by Stormin Mormon
May 29, 2013
Friend of mine has a Ford station wagon, four door. AC not working. I put the low side gage on. Engine off, about 100 PSI. Start engine, run the AC. Low side drops to 20, then up to 40, and back to 20. Then after doing this several times, it goes back up to 100 and stays.
No refrigerant was added, or removed during this process. What might be the problem?
I agree with Clare. It sounds like the low pressure cut-off switch is
kicking in and disengaging the A/C clutch. Then when the low side
pressure rises, the clutch kicks in again. I'd also be interested in
seeing what the high pressure side is showing during this time. Get a
can of R-134a with leak detector dye and a UV light. Your local auto
parts store should have both. Begin SLOWLY adding the 134a into the
system and see if that fixes the problem. And whatever you do, do NOT
flip the can upside down or else you'll be dumping liquid into the low
side. If it does fix the problem, run the system at night and use the
UV light to look for any escaped leak detector dye. Pay special
attention to all connections and the compressor, but don't overlook
the entire condenser coil and the service ports. I'll bet you have a
small leak somewhere.
Being a Ford, he may as well just evacuate the system and replace
every "O" ring, then draw it down again and charge with the specified
amount of refrigerant. (0+% chance he has a few bad "O" rings - but
adding die first and running it may also find a perforated receiver or
some other odd leak. "O"rings on Fords are the major problem.
Considering his recent posts, I have serious doubts that he has the
equipment or expertise required to do this correctly. He would be
better off leaving it to a professional.
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